tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post8523409948893260014..comments2022-08-07T01:05:01.413-07:00Comments on God Plays Dice: Some facts about time to the PhDMichael Lugohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15671307315028242949noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-49881195706811485322009-06-01T14:35:11.145-07:002009-06-01T14:35:11.145-07:00Based on what, Maggie? My conversations with form...Based on what, Maggie? My conversations with former math students and various hiring manages seem to indicate that, for instance, a math B.S. with a good bio supporting sequence is <I>more</I> desirable than a straight bio major for bioengineering firms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-30722937350049378282009-06-01T07:17:45.421-07:002009-06-01T07:17:45.421-07:00Honestly, I think there's less jobs for someone wi...Honestly, I think there's less jobs for someone with a B.S. in Math or Physics than there are for people with bachelor degrees in similar fields (engineering, cs, chem/bio).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623161365901746132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-66357898028085954502009-05-18T06:38:00.000-07:002009-05-18T06:38:00.000-07:00I'm an exception, FWIW. After high school, I quit ...I'm an exception, FWIW. After high school, I quit college before completing any classes. When I was 26, I decided to go back and eventually settled on math. I'm now 29, and will be finishing in December (3 years; I was fortunate enough to be able not to work simultaneously). <br /><br />I had forgotten or never knew lots of things; I was smart but a very poor student in high school. But here I started with Calc I and caught up pretty quick. <br /><br />Here's the crazy (for me) part... I will be applying to graduate school this fall/winter. This means I will be starting when I am 30. Starting a PhD this late seems to be very rare in math. In fact I have yet to learn of a single person who has done it. I have met PhD students in other disciplines that are older (I worked with one who was over 40), but not math. <br /><br />For me, the drawbacks were mostly related to how long it would take to get a career started. Plus the long distance moves and so on... It seems crazy, but it's what I want. But I don't really know what's different about math than other disciplines in this respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-90831510319149095982009-04-13T20:41:00.000-07:002009-04-13T20:41:00.000-07:00Chemistry students do not typically have an MS whe...Chemistry students do not typically have an MS when beginning the PhD. I suspect the short median time is due to a combination of some short dissertation projects (in theory and synthesis) and a relative paucity of long degrees (because students are traditionally supported on research assistantship after 1-2 years, the advisor has a vested interest in rapid progress).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-59932438000367095492009-04-06T09:12:00.000-07:002009-04-06T09:12:00.000-07:00Um...s/weighted/waitedUm...<BR/><BR/>s/weighted/waitedAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05481984909599672860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-73268551658489714342009-04-06T09:11:00.000-07:002009-04-06T09:11:00.000-07:00@Anonymous:That coloring is often not quite so sub...@Anonymous:<BR/>That coloring is often not quite so subtle. I weighted eight years after graduating from high school to start studying math (and, for a while, physics), and somehow thought it'd be good to also start a big family simultaneously.<BR/><BR/>I'm still working on my baccalaureate degree, after a lot of part-time and intermediary no-time university attendance. I expect to graduate next spring, after 12 years have elapsed. 20 years after graduating high school.<BR/><BR/>I think there's something to the hierarchical argument, but (luckily or as a product of poor education policy) much of "higher" mathematics starts from the foundations and works up, so ready application of the half-angle trigonometric identities isn't quite as important as in, say, the second quarter of the freshman calculus sequence.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05481984909599672860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-23182182112559154382009-03-27T04:25:00.000-07:002009-03-27T04:25:00.000-07:00I don't think it has as much to with skill as inte...I don't think it has as much to with skill as interest and exogenous circumstances. Once a student leaves the confines of academia and gets used to real pay and other aspects of grown-up life, there is a subtle attitude shift that colors future decisions. Couple that with the fact that graduate study in mathematics is a lot less "useful" than, say, engineering or computer science and you get one of the main contributors to the pattern, I think. <BR/><BR/>PS: Of course, such trends are always coarse in that every rule has many exceptions!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-30636834711586402612009-03-26T15:56:00.000-07:002009-03-26T15:56:00.000-07:00Do people in chemistry enter doctoral programs wit...Do people in chemistry enter doctoral programs with a Master's Degree already in hand? (Or would that already have been accounted for?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-80811747044477285022009-03-26T12:34:00.000-07:002009-03-26T12:34:00.000-07:00If I remember correctly, MIT wants its PhD student...If I remember correctly, MIT wants its PhD students to finish within four years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-27624355004912983472009-03-26T08:38:00.000-07:002009-03-26T08:38:00.000-07:00I've been working in the industry for about two ye...I've been working in the industry for about two years and trying to get back to college next winter term... it is difficult to get back to math, is all I can say to you! (but still very enjoyable) :)girehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14326001542084840887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-264226589944705290.post-88467624104529467102009-03-26T08:31:00.000-07:002009-03-26T08:31:00.000-07:00I took some math grad courses in 2004 (Lie Algebra...I took some math grad courses in 2004 (Lie Algebras and Topology, which was H-level for non-18) after not having taken any math since 2000. They were hard, but math is always hard. I don't think that not having done math for 4 years made them any harder. (Of course I was doing a PhD in Computer Science at the time, but not super theoretical CS).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com